Friday, October 23, 2015

Yeshu ben Pantera or Yeshua ben Yosef ? Updated.

Many people believe that the Yeshu ha Notzri mentioned in the Talmud is not the Yeshua ha Notzri (Jesus the Nazarene) of the New Testament ....

Yeshua ben Pandera (mentioned in Sanhedrin 67a of the Talmud)
1. came to Israel from Egypt
2. mother was Miriam, father was Pandera (Term meaning Betrayer )
3. studied under Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachia , practiced and taught Magic, Sorcery and Blasphemy. (Saying that he was YHVH)
4. had 5 disciples (puns)
5. belonged to a movement called the Notzrim (Nazarene)
6. was tied to the government (Royalty) under protection of certain people
7. executed (stoned and hanged from a Tree) by Order of the Jewish Court
8. was executed on the Eve of  Passover
9. was called "Yeshu" by the Talmudic Rabbis

Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)

1. born in Bethlehem, moved to Egypt and lived in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Miriam (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught a Radical form of Judaism
5. Similar teaching to Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement, (Notzrim in Israel)
8. had no apparent ties to the government, but was from the Royal line of David
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day of preparation for Passover (Eve of Passover)

Is the Talmud referring to a totally different person ?  There were other Yeshuas who were in the likes of Yeshua ben Pandera; there was Yeshua ben Stada, and others. There were over 24 Yeshu's from different time periods recorded in the Talmud.

These people were called "YESHU." But, the Talmud refers to Manasseh the king of Judah as "YESHU." (Talmud Bavli Sanhedrin 103a & Berakhot 17b). The Talmud also calls an individual "YESHU," who lived during the Hashmonean Era (Talmud Yerushalmi Chagigah 2:2). Also in Gittin 56b and 57a, there other people who were called "YESHU," but these people are military enemies of Israel.

Is the acronym "YESHU" (Yud Shin Vav) related to the name "Yeshua." ??

 The acronym YESHU is used in Rabbinic material to identify any Rasha (wicked person) or a Tzadik (righteous person). "YESHU" is an acronym that stands for two things, "Yimmach Shemo Vezikhro", meaning "May his name and memory be blotted out." And its other meaning is "Yishtabach Shemo Vezikhro" meaning "May his name and memory be praised."

Is there a Talmudic Sage called Yeshu, the same as the Yeshua of the New Testament  ? "YESHU." ?

Yes.

This title was later applied to Yeshua by Jews, due to the corresponding anger towards Christianity's continuous onslaught. The title stuck.

The Yeshua being spoken of in Talmud Sanhedrin 43A  is also called Yeshu ben Pandera, Pandera means "Betrayer" ....  he is the supposed student of Rabbi Yehoshua Perachiyah and was executed (hanged) by the Jewish court the day before  Passover for repeated incidents of performing and teaching magic and sorcery. Healing the Sick and Raising the dead. Feeding the multitudes ....

So is Yeshu ha Notzri, ben Pandera (Betrayer) mentioned in Talmud Sanghedrin 43a the same as Jesus the Nazarene of the New Testament ??

Absolutely, Without a shred of Doubt - Yes he is  !

Learn more about Yeshu ha Notzri here :  http://www.YeshuHaNotztri.blogspot.com

13 comments:

  1. Whoever he is, whatever he did or said in the past, do not matter to me. The legacy he left in the good news book only teaches me to do good.

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  2. You didn't site any sources for Yeshuah Ben Yoseph. Also, your semantic arguments are on the wobbly side. Your splitting hairs on words that could be translated either way from the Hebrew. To state that Yeshuah Ben Yoseph was a supporter of the Pharisees is just plain ignorant considering you are placing him in the Nazarean (Essene) sect, which is well known to be an opposing sect in those days. Obviously, the so called law men of the Jews would try to pin sorcery and black magic on Yeshuah. It's in the Bible.

    Either way, nobody knows the private life of Master Yeshuah. The only reason anyone would feel the need to draw a line between the historical and allegorical records of Master Yeshuah is to satisfy a personal insecurity based in fanaticism.

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    1. The new Testament the church,and Christianity were all the creation of the calpurnius piso family,who were Roman aristocrats.The new testament,and all the characters in it-Jesus,all the Josephs,all the mary's,all the disciples,apostles,paul, and John the Baptist are all fictional.A quote from pope Leo X ."How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us" pope Leo X.(1513-1521)

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    2. Thousands of families are buried under the city of Rome, people who believed in this "fictional character" as you imply, they were singing and praising the Lord while their flesh was devour by lions. Will somebody on earth do that for a fictional character? Jesus is the Son of God. The Messiah. He is known by many names. Please people, focus in His teachings and not in His names. If somebody in this earth encounter anything wrong with His teaching, please let us know. God bless you!

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    3. @Cash Cause Pros. Do name your source, when contributing such matters. ... "The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso family, who were Roman aristocrats.
      The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist - are all fictional." This is from Abelard Reuchlin from "The True Authorship of the New Testament".

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  3. Also, Yeshuah (Yehoshuah) is spelled Iod - Hei - Shin - Vav - Hei. Notice it is IHVH with a shin in the middle. The four letter name of God (Tetragrammaton), ignited with Fire (Shin).

    You have it spelled Iod - Shin - Vav - Ayin. This would have a much less significant meaning in biblical Hebrew.

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    1. For what it's worth, there IS an ayin in Jesus' name, so you are wrong.

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    2. The form Yehoshuah is female. His Hebrew name was Yehoshua and his Aramaic name is Y'shua. It's YHVSA.

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  4. Here is the Pharisees accusing Yeshuah of sorcery and black magic:

    [Mat 12:24 KJV] 24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

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  5. The Bible clearly states that Yoseph is not Yeshuahs father.

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  6. Its the same goddamn person .
    looks like the work of the council of nicea 325 .

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    1. Yes indeed my brother. Let them have their none sense religion that has been used as a tool to enslave and persecute people since its creation. Freaking HYPOCRITES. They will die in your own iniquity.

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  7. Actually many claimed to be messiahs because of the prophecies in the book of Daniel. Jesschu ben Yousaf tried very close but his death doubts he wasn't a Messiah. In the Muslims Imam Mehdi tired too.

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